chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Broadway - [title of show] - WTF?)
Because I am random...I don't know why I suddenly felt like doing this, but whatever, it's done.



The Bechdel test as it applies to stage musicals:


Chess fails -- Florence and Svetlana have "I Know Him So Well", but as the title suggests it's a song all about the guy in their lives.

RENT passes -- because of Maureen and Joanne.

Wicked passes -- obviously. Most of the show is a conversation between two women about things other than guys.

tick tick...BOOM! fails -- although to be fair it's a cast of three, only one of whom is female, so how exactly would a girl-on-girl conversation happen?

[title of show] passes -- because of "Secondary Characters". The guys get mentioned in the song, but Heidi and Susan aren't really talking *about* them.

Zanna, Don't! passes -- because of Roberta/Kate, pre-Steve.

bare fails -- I think. Ivy and Nadia have several just-them conversations, but they're usually Nadia sniping about Ivy's boyfriends.

Brooklyn -- um. I know Brooklyn and Paradice have a couple conversations, and Brooklyn talks to her mother early on, but I can't remember if all those conversations center on Brooklyn's father or not.

Company fails -- understandably. It is a show about the relationships between men and women, and pretty much Every Conversation In The Show is about relationships between men and women.

Evil Dead: The Musical fails -- in the best tradition of B-rated horror flicks everywhere.

Altar Boyz fails -- but then, it has no female characters. At all.

Chicago passes -- "I Can't Do It Alone", "Class", probably others.

The Drowsy Chaperone fails -- while there are strictly-female conversations, they tend to revolve around relationships with male characters.


Any others?
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Broadway - [title of show] - WTF?)
Because I am random...I don't know why I suddenly felt like doing this, but whatever, it's done.



The Bechdel test as it applies to stage musicals:


Chess fails -- Florence and Svetlana have "I Know Him So Well", but as the title suggests it's a song all about the guy in their lives.

RENT passes -- because of Maureen and Joanne.

Wicked passes -- obviously. Most of the show is a conversation between two women about things other than guys.

tick tick...BOOM! fails -- although to be fair it's a cast of three, only one of whom is female, so how exactly would a girl-on-girl conversation happen?

[title of show] passes -- because of "Secondary Characters". The guys get mentioned in the song, but Heidi and Susan aren't really talking *about* them.

Zanna, Don't! passes -- because of Roberta/Kate, pre-Steve.

bare fails -- I think. Ivy and Nadia have several just-them conversations, but they're usually Nadia sniping about Ivy's boyfriends.

Brooklyn -- um. I know Brooklyn and Paradice have a couple conversations, and Brooklyn talks to her mother early on, but I can't remember if all those conversations center on Brooklyn's father or not.

Company fails -- understandably. It is a show about the relationships between men and women, and pretty much Every Conversation In The Show is about relationships between men and women.

Evil Dead: The Musical fails -- in the best tradition of B-rated horror flicks everywhere.

Altar Boyz fails -- but then, it has no female characters. At all.

Chicago passes -- "I Can't Do It Alone", "Class", probably others.

The Drowsy Chaperone fails -- while there are strictly-female conversations, they tend to revolve around relationships with male characters.


Any others?
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Andromeda - Harper/Rommie)
Yo, fannish flisters.

How would you define a pairing that, in canon, has textually expressed a romantic or sexual interest in each other but not acted on it? I'm not talking "really large subtext that everyone in fandom agrees on" here, I'm talking more like an actual conversation "I think you're hot and I'd really like to get with you, but we can't for reasons a, b, and c."

Because...calling it a canon pairing seems to imply that they've actually gotten together in canon, which isn't the case. But it's not a subtext-based pairing, either because the mutual attraction is text, not subtext.

(To make this a little clearer: Er. Harry/Susan is clearly canon. They're together in the text for however long, they have an established relationship, they kiss and they have sex and they snuggle. Molly/Ramirez is clearly subtext; while they plainly have an attraction to one another, it's never come out and stated directly, and they certainly don't have a textual romantic relationship. But how would you define Harry/Murphy, where both parties have acknowledged that they're attracted to/interested in each other, but that it would be a really bad idea to act on that?)

I don't know why I'm think about this, except that I just watched a Lost Missing Pieces scene with Michael/Sun almost kissing, realizing it's not right, and walking away from each other, and now am struggling with what terminology to use for the pairing since it's no longer wholly subjective subtext but it's still not what I would call a canon pairing.
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Andromeda - Harper/Rommie)
Yo, fannish flisters.

How would you define a pairing that, in canon, has textually expressed a romantic or sexual interest in each other but not acted on it? I'm not talking "really large subtext that everyone in fandom agrees on" here, I'm talking more like an actual conversation "I think you're hot and I'd really like to get with you, but we can't for reasons a, b, and c."

Because...calling it a canon pairing seems to imply that they've actually gotten together in canon, which isn't the case. But it's not a subtext-based pairing, either because the mutual attraction is text, not subtext.

(To make this a little clearer: Er. Harry/Susan is clearly canon. They're together in the text for however long, they have an established relationship, they kiss and they have sex and they snuggle. Molly/Ramirez is clearly subtext; while they plainly have an attraction to one another, it's never come out and stated directly, and they certainly don't have a textual romantic relationship. But how would you define Harry/Murphy, where both parties have acknowledged that they're attracted to/interested in each other, but that it would be a really bad idea to act on that?)

I don't know why I'm think about this, except that I just watched a Lost Missing Pieces scene with Michael/Sun almost kissing, realizing it's not right, and walking away from each other, and now am struggling with what terminology to use for the pairing since it's no longer wholly subjective subtext but it's still not what I would call a canon pairing.
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Psych - Gus)
Lurking at [livejournal.com profile] fanthropology, I stumbled upon this comment:

Yes, I would be put off by black stereotypes, but I am far more put off by the politics of exclusion. Case in point: the show "Psyche" has launched a fandom in which the dominant OTP is Shawn Spencer and Carlton Lassiter, rather than Shawn and the black character Gus, with whom he spends most of his time (not to mention plenty of slashy subtext). The excuse I often hear is that "I can't imagine slashing (insert the black character of choice)."
If you're that lacking in imagination...


Hey, fellow Psych fen on my flist, is this true? Is this excuse being used a lot by Shawn/Lassiter shippers? I hadn't heard it before, but then I suppose I'm not really spending a lot of time in those circles.

The reason I don't actively slash Shawn/Gus is fairly obvious; it's because I'm actively shipping Gus/Juliet who I think are utterly adorable in their geekiness. Honestly, if it weren't for Shawn vs. the Red Phantom I would probably be shipping Shawn/Gus...or just Shawn/anyone ever. Shawn/inanimate objects. James Roday could have sexual chemistry with a rock, no kidding.

But the idea that people are justifying their not-slashing Shawn/Gus based on being uncomfortable with slashing Gus--rather than, say, preferring the antagonism of Shawn/Lassiter to the best-buddy feel of Shawn/Gus, and why is nobody slashing Gus/Lassiter anyway?--anyway, that idea is a new one to me, and surprising, and now I want to know if there are a lot of people actually doing this.

Thoughts?
Tags:
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Psych - Gus)
Lurking at [livejournal.com profile] fanthropology, I stumbled upon this comment:

Yes, I would be put off by black stereotypes, but I am far more put off by the politics of exclusion. Case in point: the show "Psyche" has launched a fandom in which the dominant OTP is Shawn Spencer and Carlton Lassiter, rather than Shawn and the black character Gus, with whom he spends most of his time (not to mention plenty of slashy subtext). The excuse I often hear is that "I can't imagine slashing (insert the black character of choice)."
If you're that lacking in imagination...


Hey, fellow Psych fen on my flist, is this true? Is this excuse being used a lot by Shawn/Lassiter shippers? I hadn't heard it before, but then I suppose I'm not really spending a lot of time in those circles.

The reason I don't actively slash Shawn/Gus is fairly obvious; it's because I'm actively shipping Gus/Juliet who I think are utterly adorable in their geekiness. Honestly, if it weren't for Shawn vs. the Red Phantom I would probably be shipping Shawn/Gus...or just Shawn/anyone ever. Shawn/inanimate objects. James Roday could have sexual chemistry with a rock, no kidding.

But the idea that people are justifying their not-slashing Shawn/Gus based on being uncomfortable with slashing Gus--rather than, say, preferring the antagonism of Shawn/Lassiter to the best-buddy feel of Shawn/Gus, and why is nobody slashing Gus/Lassiter anyway?--anyway, that idea is a new one to me, and surprising, and now I want to know if there are a lot of people actually doing this.

Thoughts?
Tags:
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (The Chronicle - OT3 (Wes/Tucker/Grace))
So, this post on female characters in fandom by [livejournal.com profile] fabu came up on [livejournal.com profile] metafandom, and I read it and it's very interesting and well-thought out and inspired that thing I do every so often where I examine my own biases in fictional characters.

warning: this gets long and, in places, dull )


I use Chronicle icon because there is NO character in The Chronicle who I do not love unconditionally. Except for very minor characters, and even then I don't often actively dislike them. Truth.
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (The Chronicle - OT3 (Wes/Tucker/Grace))
So, this post on female characters in fandom by [livejournal.com profile] fabu came up on [livejournal.com profile] metafandom, and I read it and it's very interesting and well-thought out and inspired that thing I do every so often where I examine my own biases in fictional characters.

warning: this gets long and, in places, dull )


I use Chronicle icon because there is NO character in The Chronicle who I do not love unconditionally. Except for very minor characters, and even then I don't often actively dislike them. Truth.
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Doctor Who - Ten/Mickey OTP!)
Yay, I'm back!

J.P. is now an official high school graduate. It's odd and disturbs me and makes me feel old. Also I'm pretty sure I have problems because I spent most of the graduation ceremony wondering why nobody ever taught these people how to speak into a microphone properly. *pokes them*

Also Joshua's hair is somewhere between "emo kid" and "bad British rocker" and it frightens me.



I logged onto the LVI forums for the first time in a long, long time. Because I got a PM. Truth. Now I'm poking around, sticking my nose into all the things that have been posted since I last logged in so so long ago.

Well. Not all the things. But lots!

Also, to the LVI fen on my flist: do any of you know why it is apparently physically impossible for me to login to the forums through Firefox and I have to go and open Internet Explorer which annoys me?



And now memes.

Meme snagged from [livejournal.com profile] kawaiispinel:
WIP Meme

If you happen to be working on some new writing project, fanfiction or what have you, post a sentence or snippet from each of your current work(s) in progress in your journal. It should probably be your favourite or most intriguing part so far, but what you choose is entirely your discretion. Mention the title (and genre) if you like, but don't mention anything else -- this is merely to whet the general appetite for your forthcoming work(s).


The WIP I've been talking about longest.

The Trial Of Brendan Lahey, which will be finished, I swear )



Also snagged from [livejournal.com profile] kawaiispinel:
1. Choose a few of your own characters/muses. Five at the most.
2. Make them answer the following questions
3. Then tag three people. (If you want to do it, then do it. I'm not going to tag anyone.)


under here )

And finally, the fic census that's going around [livejournal.com profile] metafandom at the moment. I don't actually think anyone will care, but here it is anyway:

census under here )
chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Doctor Who - Ten/Mickey OTP!)
Yay, I'm back!

J.P. is now an official high school graduate. It's odd and disturbs me and makes me feel old. Also I'm pretty sure I have problems because I spent most of the graduation ceremony wondering why nobody ever taught these people how to speak into a microphone properly. *pokes them*

Also Joshua's hair is somewhere between "emo kid" and "bad British rocker" and it frightens me.



I logged onto the LVI forums for the first time in a long, long time. Because I got a PM. Truth. Now I'm poking around, sticking my nose into all the things that have been posted since I last logged in so so long ago.

Well. Not all the things. But lots!

Also, to the LVI fen on my flist: do any of you know why it is apparently physically impossible for me to login to the forums through Firefox and I have to go and open Internet Explorer which annoys me?



And now memes.

Meme snagged from [livejournal.com profile] kawaiispinel:
WIP Meme

If you happen to be working on some new writing project, fanfiction or what have you, post a sentence or snippet from each of your current work(s) in progress in your journal. It should probably be your favourite or most intriguing part so far, but what you choose is entirely your discretion. Mention the title (and genre) if you like, but don't mention anything else -- this is merely to whet the general appetite for your forthcoming work(s).


The WIP I've been talking about longest.

The Trial Of Brendan Lahey, which will be finished, I swear )



Also snagged from [livejournal.com profile] kawaiispinel:
1. Choose a few of your own characters/muses. Five at the most.
2. Make them answer the following questions
3. Then tag three people. (If you want to do it, then do it. I'm not going to tag anyone.)


under here )

And finally, the fic census that's going around [livejournal.com profile] metafandom at the moment. I don't actually think anyone will care, but here it is anyway:

census under here )
May. 15th, 2007 09:25 pm

k:-O

chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Animorphs - blue horses)
ChicaFrom3 and Fandom As Community: A History

or: how teh chica put off thinking about her utter lack of employment options for a while longer

long and probably dull )


Um...yeah. I might do a history overview of how my fannish activity (ficcing, iconing, vidding) has changed over the years sometime.

And to make up for that horribly self-indulgent post, I'll do a meme or something in a bit. Yes?
May. 15th, 2007 09:25 pm

k:-O

chicafrom3: photo of the TARDIS (Animorphs - blue horses)
ChicaFrom3 and Fandom As Community: A History

or: how teh chica put off thinking about her utter lack of employment options for a while longer

long and probably dull )


Um...yeah. I might do a history overview of how my fannish activity (ficcing, iconing, vidding) has changed over the years sometime.

And to make up for that horribly self-indulgent post, I'll do a meme or something in a bit. Yes?

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